because senator jeff sessions just put out, in i think october, the senate budget committee look at all the programs and what the average family beneficiary was on all the social welfare programs, it's around $50,000 a year. her family. think about that. -- per family. that's without taxes. that's greater than the family income in the united states. so we have now moved those, and this is not tonight anybody who really needs our help. but what we have now done is we have a safety net that a sequel -- that is equal to average per capita income in this country. and so what that does is it takes away any incentive to better yourself because you are equal with everybody else in terms of benefits. that's significant. very significant in terms of motivations, in terms of people bettering themselves, in terms of people reaching higher. that's a worrisome statistic host back shannon, portland, oregon, good afternoon. this is booktv on c-span2. >> caller: hello. i want to start off by saying you're a great men of integrity and it's a pleasure to talk to you. >> guest: thank you. >> caller: i'm a